Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu
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Moscow City Court JW Restriction Verdict Today - 16-Jan-2017
by Da.Furious inon jw.org this is the first paragraph on the 12 january news on russia:.
on january 16, 2017, jehovah’s witnesses in russia will again seek to counter the decade-long tightening of restrictions on their religious freedom.
they will ask the moscow city court to rule that a warning against their national headquarters be rescinded as unlawful and unfounded.
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Moscow City Court JW Restriction Verdict Today - 16-Jan-2017
by Da.Furious inon jw.org this is the first paragraph on the 12 january news on russia:.
on january 16, 2017, jehovah’s witnesses in russia will again seek to counter the decade-long tightening of restrictions on their religious freedom.
they will ask the moscow city court to rule that a warning against their national headquarters be rescinded as unlawful and unfounded.
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Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu
WTS lost!
niceeeee
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Moscow City Court JW Restriction Verdict Today - 16-Jan-2017
by Da.Furious inon jw.org this is the first paragraph on the 12 january news on russia:.
on january 16, 2017, jehovah’s witnesses in russia will again seek to counter the decade-long tightening of restrictions on their religious freedom.
they will ask the moscow city court to rule that a warning against their national headquarters be rescinded as unlawful and unfounded.
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Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu
I sincerely hope they will lose and have their religion completely banned in Russia
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For those that read the bible, does the true message of scripture still come through in NWT?
by NikL inmy active and in jw wife is up for reading bible together.
thing is she wants to use nwt.. i have problems with that translation as you my imagine.. just wondering if you thought the true message of the bible will shine through the deliberate tampering of the nwt?.
i know many people here don't like or want to read the bible and think it's rubbish anyway, so if that's you, you can save your comments :-).
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Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu
Since a couple of months I am reading the New International Version. For me, reading the NIV brings a whole different feeling of reading than the NWT. To name an example, words like grace are so present in this NIV Bible, and I think the replacement in the NWT of grace for 'undeserved kindness' really is a shame. It does not read the same, and to me it feels like the meaning also changes somehow. To answer your question; for topics such as grace, no, I don't think the right message shines through when reading the New World Translation. Since I have the NIV, I have stopped reading the NWT.
Also, I don't feel comfortable in the fact that the NWT has added the name of Jehovah in places where the name shouldn't be. Furthermore, things like how they render Acts 20:28 is a problem to me. It is adding words that should not be there. I do not think the NWT is a good Bible.
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Why do JW's never pray for the Spirit of Jesus?
by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu ini am new on this forum.
i have been associating with the jw's for three years, and was about to be baptised soon (next month).
however, i discovered on time that it is not right to do.
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Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu
Stanlivedeath
Its a good job your not baptised--because if you were---asking questions like this it could get you disfellowshipped.Evilapostate
Sounds like you dodged a bulletNinaCee
I will tell you that Stan is right; challenging existing Watchtower doctrine is a definite no-no and will get you in hot waterHaha, it turned out that I did not dodge a bullet after all. Last Tuesday I had two elders visiting who had a talk with me. The conversation went actually quite well but ultimately they asked if I still believe if the org is God's only channel for us. I had not prepared anything what I could say in case they would come up with this question. So.. turned out that my answer was not the right one.
In the watchtower for January 9-15 I saw the following
Some may feel that they can interpret the Bible on their own. However, Jesus has appointed the ‘faithful slave’ to be the only channel for dispensing spiritual food.
This is literally what they told me. I like to read and study a lot, and one of these elders literally said that I am studying too much. What the org publishes is of course sufficient for all of us!
I am actually happy that it is now over. Since I am already considered not worthy of talking to, I have decided to visit all the African families in my village that I know are studying with the witnesses from my congregation. Wednesday and yesterday I have visited three families, in total they are 12 people. I was very, very happy that they all listened and they were actually quite shocked to hear some of the things JW's believe in but never told them. The mediator thing is a no go for all of them. None was wanting to accept this teaching. One family had not yet heard of the 1914 teaching, and literally had to laugh really hard about this teaching. Together with my own Congolese study of 8 people it is already 20 Africans that are no longer willing to study with the witnesses. There are some other Africans studying with witnesses in my village. Hopefully they will be also willing to listen.
Now I am really interested in what will happen. I think the brothers and sisters that study with these African families are not yet aware that their studies know all these things now, since it has been only a really short time ago. If they find out that I did this, what can they do? They will be angry with no doubt. I am just wondering, there is nothing they can do, because they have to shun me, right?
At my university, there are a lot of international students coming from all over Europe, Asia and America. Buddhists, Christians, Muslims, all kinds of beliefs. Listening to their stories of what they believed really made me think; who am I to judge about what others believe? Why would their belief be wrong, if they are happy with it? This is exactly the attitude JW's are promoting. When I entered the JW's a few years ago, I honestly thought they did not judge other people so much. Turned out that they are, in my view, actually the most judgmental people anyone can think of.
Really happy to be gone.
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2017 Yearbook released
by bohm ini saw this on reddit:.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/5mlgsm/2017_yearbook_of_jehovahs_witnesses/.
overall the numbers are better than last year (1.8% growth compared to 1.5% last year -- as i predicted ;-) ) with an increase in all major figures including 1300 more congregations (i assume this is not physical kingdom halls?).
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Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu
slimboyfat2 days ago No doubt there is growth in the Congo, but it's not possible to tell if the figure for last year was accurate, or the figure for this year, or neither. So in terms of global growth it's probably best to ignore it at the moment because inclusion very likely creates a false impression of the global trend.
Another thing about the Congo: it is a country which has had significant independent "Watchtower" movements in the past. I don't know if these are still active, but it is possible that the definition of a JW adherent is slightly more fluid in this region than we are accustomed to elsewhere, such that congregations may be moved inside or outside the organisational umbrella from one year to the next. If so it is possible that a large increase in any given year represents reconnection of the official Watchtower organisation with pre-existing independent congregations.The Congolese people that I gave Bible studie know many witnesses in Congo. When they were in refugee camps in Congo, there were many, many witnesses in these same camps with them. The witnesses in refugee camps (I heard this also from other Congolese brothers) are really different than the witnesses in for instance Europe. Most of them are there for the wrong reasons, they do not live up to the rules of the witnesses. If these people would be attending any Western country congregation they would probably be described as bad association (of course there are also those that are there for not the wrong reasons).
Many Congolese people in cities (not rural) do in fact have the ability to go on the internet. But the thing is that they all speak French, since this is the official common language, but many many Congolese people are not able to read French. This has to do with illiteracy, and of those that are literate, many can hardly read French, but are only able to read their own native language. The family with whom I studied first received French literature, but they could literally do nothing with it. They could not understand. They were only able to read literature when they saw it in their own African language. So even if the witnesses in Congo have access to the internet, for most of them this is not sufficient to learn about TTATT, because TTATT is most likely not widespread among the native African languages on the internet.
And, the Congolese people are very very believing people, so this contributes also to the fact that they are really inclined to listen to the witnesses when they use their Bible.
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I am glad to have found the true religion
by A Believer init really is great.
i remember browsing this forum the day after i had joined it, and their was a knock on the door.
i thought it was one of my package from ups but instead it was two sisters.
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Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu
Some time ago I saw this quote somewhere on this forum (can't remember where exactly), but it describes quite well how people find their way into this religion.
It is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
This religion fools people. Once fooled, it is hard to see that you have been fooled!
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I am glad to have found the true religion
by A Believer init really is great.
i remember browsing this forum the day after i had joined it, and their was a knock on the door.
i thought it was one of my package from ups but instead it was two sisters.
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Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu
A Believer:
Read this part of what you posted
He mediates the new covenant between God and those taken into the new covenant, the congregation of spiritual Israel.
Jesus mediates between God and those taken into the new covenant... again, who is in this covenant? He only mediates for them.
Do you know what spiritual Israel is?
Without having a good understanding of the explanation from Jehovah Witnesses who is in the new covenant and what spiritual Israel is, you''ll get trapped in topics like this, about Jesus as our mediator.
Jesus is indeed mediator for all of us according to the Bible.
But not according to the witnesses.
That's the whole point.
You see?
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I am glad to have found the true religion
by A Believer init really is great.
i remember browsing this forum the day after i had joined it, and their was a knock on the door.
i thought it was one of my package from ups but instead it was two sisters.
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Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu
A believer: Yesu the JW teach Jesus is our mediator
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2008922It does seems like it, indeed, at first sight. But you have to read closely.
“The Mediator of a New Covenant”
11, 12. How is Jesus’ role as Mediator unique?
11 Read 1 Timothy 2:5, 6. Jesus is the “one mediator between God and men.” He is “the mediator of a new covenant.” (Heb. 9:15; 12:24) However, Moses is also spoken of as a mediator—the mediator of the Law covenant. (Gal. 3:19) How, then, is Jesus’ role as Mediator unique?The mediator of a New covenant.
Who is in the new covenant? If you search on JW.org for the new covenant, you see it is only the 144.000.
To go further with the link you provided:
13. What is involved in Jesus’ role as Mediator?
13 What does Jesus’ role as Mediator involve? Well, Jehovah applies the value of Jesus’ blood to those being brought into the new covenant. In this way, Jehovah legally credits them with righteousness. (Rom. 3:24; Heb. 9:15) God can then take them into the new covenant with the prospect of their becoming heavenly king-priests! As their Mediator, Jesus assists them in maintaining a clean standing before God.—Heb. 2:16.Jesus assists them. To whom does their and them refer? To the heavenly king-priests in the preceding sentence. And who is going to be a heavenly king-priest? It is the 144.000. As their mediator, can consequently be rephrased as: As the mediator of the 144.000.
What about those who are not in the new covenant, those who hope to live forever on earth, not in heaven? While not participants in the new covenant, these are beneficiaries of it.
Those who are not in the new covenant. Well, if you are outside of this new covenant, if you not have the heavenly hope, Jesus is not your mediator. You are no participant
Do you see? It is very important to examine this more thorougly than just quickly reading this text.
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I am glad to have found the true religion
by A Believer init really is great.
i remember browsing this forum the day after i had joined it, and their was a knock on the door.
i thought it was one of my package from ups but instead it was two sisters.
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Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu
A Believer Jesus is the mediator. He is the one who helped man and God come to agreement. Yesu did you know he was created?
It is good to read that you believe Jesus Christ is our mediator. That's indeed what the Bible teaches. Yes I know what you are referring to, Colossians 1:15. I have studied for three years with the witnesses.
The thing is, the topic of the mediator will never be discussed with you by none of the witnesses. You know why? The official doctrine is that Jesus is not our mediator. Most witnesses are unaware of this. If you ask a random witness in your congregation: ''who is your mediator?'' they will answer: Jesus!
However, according to the watchttower, Jesus is only the mediator for the 144.000 anointed ones. Today, there are around 15.000 of them. So who can pray in the name of Jesus while knowing that Jesus is their mediator? Only these 15.000. Not you.
The Bible is very, very clear about this topic. There is only one mediator. If it is not Jesus, it can be no one else. So than we have no mediator between us and God.
Can you justify this?